I think the end piece was quite beautiful. I am not really sure how I feel about feminism constantly being associated with vaginas though. I dunno it seems base in a certain way-if men were oppresed I probbably wouldnt advice them to constantly draw boners. Meh.
Anyway, I heard from a another teacher that she didnt credit all the women who helped work on the dinner party which is maybe questionable. I also didn't really like that she had 13 place settings on each side or I wish that was explained further----I mean tradionally thats thought of as unlucky and suggestive that one of the people at the table is a traitor. So the thirteen settings seems to imply that somehow women have been unsucessful because of decepton among them- mayeb that is what she was gong for but I kind of doubt it.
The other thing that I wanted to mention is that the I think one of the dumb things about women just accepting that art needs a concept behind it to be real art is something that keeps traditional womens arts firmly in the area known as crafts and out of the canon of art history. Many women only had the opportunity to create objects that had a second purpose other than solely as a work of art-bleh. I am having a hard time articulating this.
Tuesday, October 13, 2009
Sunday, October 4, 2009
orlan/ lori millan and shawna dempsey/tom wolf
Alright, so as far as Orlan goes I'm really not sure what to think. I don't quite undertstand her intent and I think the surgery things are unwatchable. I don't like seeing violent* images, I guess that if I am going to force myself to look at them it would be because I think it is something necessary-news maybe.....something I feel I need to turn away from and I have no problem turning away from a woman inflicting that upon herself. I thought I was going to faint in the class I hate that stuff so much.
*I realise violent isn't exactly the proper word for surgery-but it seems very violent to me-perhaps gore is a more appropriate word but even that word feels off. I can't find a word that specifically describes the gore of surgery.
I do find some of her end images interesting and I admit to finding her "art face" attractive, perhaps I am supposed to muse on that....if certain things didn't turn me off of her art I would probably investigate it more but the violence and the humourlessness of it all.
When the part was playing beforehand and she was doing some sort of nutto ritual thing-reading that poem and prancing around in the crazy harlequin outfit I was thinking "ugh, God this is why people hate art."
I guess by not giving out some kind of wink to the audience that she realizes on some level that what she is doing is kind of ridiculous she alienates people from understanding her. I don't think that it is wrong to follow though with ideas that might seem ridiculous....I have all kinds of ridiculous ideas. I just think comedy is lacking hugely in the world of fine art.
This made me think of this clip from a Kate Bush Chrismas special. She is one of my favourite artists- I love her music and her interpretive dances and videos. The song is actually sad and she is talking about a serious subject matter. The dancing is interesting and maybe even beautiful but there is something very silly about the thing. I guess the feeling I get is that when the male dancer came out in his baby costume is that everyone around felt comfortable having a laugh at the silliness of it all whereas I get the feeling that everyone is expected to put on their serious faces for Orlans performances.
So I guess that brings me to Lori whatchamacall her and her friend who live in Winnipeg. I like their art and I like that they use comedy. I think about comedy a lot as I was performing stand up before I went to Art School and worked as a waitress in a comedy club for four years. Most of my friends are comics and I feel a lot more comfortable in the world of comedy than that of art. Anyway, I think what they are doing is interesting I guess my only complaint is that in a way I can't help but see comedic performance artists as failed comedians. This has nothing to do with those women personally but it irritates me that comedians are pretty much the only artists in Canada who have zero grant possibilities.
I guess is also a common thread onto Tom Wolf's article. I absolutely loved that article. I read it twice. It was interesting and hilarious and really helped me to undertstand that period of modern art. I guess one of the things that I was thinking about related to that article is that I don't really think we have moved beyond Andy Warhol or past his whole double tracking philosophies in a way which I think upsets me. This article got me thinking about the world of art and it sort of depressed me. I know I am in "fine art" but I don't think I want to do all that. In the group discussions in class everyone was saying how they all agreed that really everyone wants to be noticed by "le monde" and you can't help but seek that validation if you are an artist. I don't know if I agree. I kind of want to run home and be a folk artist because I hate living in big city.
Here is a good article about a folk artist named Andy Macdonald. The picture below was taken of Andy by my friend on his dummy farm.
*I realise violent isn't exactly the proper word for surgery-but it seems very violent to me-perhaps gore is a more appropriate word but even that word feels off. I can't find a word that specifically describes the gore of surgery.
I do find some of her end images interesting and I admit to finding her "art face" attractive, perhaps I am supposed to muse on that....if certain things didn't turn me off of her art I would probably investigate it more but the violence and the humourlessness of it all.
When the part was playing beforehand and she was doing some sort of nutto ritual thing-reading that poem and prancing around in the crazy harlequin outfit I was thinking "ugh, God this is why people hate art."
I guess by not giving out some kind of wink to the audience that she realizes on some level that what she is doing is kind of ridiculous she alienates people from understanding her. I don't think that it is wrong to follow though with ideas that might seem ridiculous....I have all kinds of ridiculous ideas. I just think comedy is lacking hugely in the world of fine art.
This made me think of this clip from a Kate Bush Chrismas special. She is one of my favourite artists- I love her music and her interpretive dances and videos. The song is actually sad and she is talking about a serious subject matter. The dancing is interesting and maybe even beautiful but there is something very silly about the thing. I guess the feeling I get is that when the male dancer came out in his baby costume is that everyone around felt comfortable having a laugh at the silliness of it all whereas I get the feeling that everyone is expected to put on their serious faces for Orlans performances.
So I guess that brings me to Lori whatchamacall her and her friend who live in Winnipeg. I like their art and I like that they use comedy. I think about comedy a lot as I was performing stand up before I went to Art School and worked as a waitress in a comedy club for four years. Most of my friends are comics and I feel a lot more comfortable in the world of comedy than that of art. Anyway, I think what they are doing is interesting I guess my only complaint is that in a way I can't help but see comedic performance artists as failed comedians. This has nothing to do with those women personally but it irritates me that comedians are pretty much the only artists in Canada who have zero grant possibilities.
I guess is also a common thread onto Tom Wolf's article. I absolutely loved that article. I read it twice. It was interesting and hilarious and really helped me to undertstand that period of modern art. I guess one of the things that I was thinking about related to that article is that I don't really think we have moved beyond Andy Warhol or past his whole double tracking philosophies in a way which I think upsets me. This article got me thinking about the world of art and it sort of depressed me. I know I am in "fine art" but I don't think I want to do all that. In the group discussions in class everyone was saying how they all agreed that really everyone wants to be noticed by "le monde" and you can't help but seek that validation if you are an artist. I don't know if I agree. I kind of want to run home and be a folk artist because I hate living in big city.
Here is a good article about a folk artist named Andy Macdonald. The picture below was taken of Andy by my friend on his dummy farm.
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